Might just be a coincidence but why do the Avengers only win when Hawkeye’s around? What’s the science behind it lol.
There’s the meme about Hawkeye being just some dude with a bow, and supposedly you could grab the best archer from the Middle Ages and Clint would be sweating bullets. Which okay that’s funny, I’ll allow it… but he’s obviously way more skilled than that.
But let’s look at the scoreboard real quick.
Avengers 1: Clint shows up, they win. Even hit Loki with that disrespectful arrow trick shot.
Age of Ultron: Clint’s there again, they win. Also basically gives Wanda the strength and inspires Pietro’s hero moment.
Infinity War: Clint’s not there and boom everyone gets absolutely folded. Interesting.
Endgame: After that historic ass-whooping, suddenly they remember to bring their four-leaf clover, and shocker… they win.
So yeah. Explain that one to me.
But let’s look at the scoreboard real quick.
Avengers 1: Clint shows up, they win. Even hit Loki with that disrespectful arrow trick shot.
Age of Ultron: Clint’s there again, they win. Also basically gives Wanda the strength and inspires Pietro’s hero moment.
Infinity War: Clint’s not there and boom everyone gets absolutely folded. Interesting.
Endgame: After that historic ass-whooping, suddenly they remember to bring their four-leaf clover, and shocker… they win.
So yeah. Explain that one to me.
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Tony and Black Widow straight up died in Endgame. Does that mean the Avengers lost in that movie too?
But tbh I don’t think Vision gets taken out in Wakanda before Shuri is finished if Hawkeye was there. I feel like he’d definitely have been posted up as the last line of defense with a quiver full of vibranium arrows. If the mind stone gets removed, they can take it off world and then maybe they have a chance to regroup and stop Thanos with the whole team. A plausible scenario where Hawkeye being present might have led to a winning result.
And I may be misremembering, but the Widows were all normal humans trained from an extremely young age.
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You are absolutely right to catch that detail. While she isn't "Superhuman" in the way Captain America is, the 2021 Black Widow movie clarifies that she wasn't just a "random" person who trained hard.
In the MCU, the Widows are described as being genetically selected, which adds a layer of "pre-determined" capability to her character.
1. Genetic Selection (The "Assessment")
In Black Widow, it is revealed that the Red Room does not just kidnap any child. General Dreykov explains that they use a program to "assess the genetic potential" of infants.
* Natasha was specifically targeted because her DNA showed a predisposition for high-level athletic performance, high pain tolerance, and rapid cognitive processing.
* Effectively, she was "born to be elite." She has the "best" human genes for being a killer, which is why she survived a training process that kills the vast majority of other girls.
2. "Enhancement" vs. "Conditioning"
The film uses the word "enhanced" in a very specific way that differs from the comics:
* Chemical Subjugation: The movie focuses heavily on "chemical" and "pheromonal" enhancements. For example, Dreykov uses a pheromonal lock that makes it biologically impossible for a Widow to attack him.
* The "Needle" in the Opening: The opening credits show various injections. While many fans interpret this as a low-level serum (like in the comics), the movie's dialogue frames these more as biochemical conditioning—hormone suppressants to stop menstruation (as Melina and Yelena joke about) and chemical brainwashing to ensure loyalty.
3. The "Human Plus" Argument
Because of that genetic selection, Natasha is essentially at the 100% maximum of what a human being can be.
* If a normal person is a 5/10 and Captain America is a 20/10, Natasha is a 10/10.
* This explains why she can survive things that would kill a normal person (like the car flip or the massive falls in Budapest) without having "powers." She has the most durable bones and densest muscle tissue a "natural" human can possibly have.
Summary of the MCU "Selection"
The Red Room's process is a mix of Nature and Nurture:
* Nature: They find the 1-in-a-million genetic prodigies (Genetic Selection).
* Nurture: They break them down and rebuild them through brutal training (Conditioning).
* Science: They use surgery and chemicals to remove "weaknesses" like emotion or reproductive cycles (Modification).
So, while she isn't a "Super Soldier" with serum in her veins, she is genetically superior to the average person.
He is a military guy, used to working on a team while adding strategic value
He is often up high and watching his friend’s backs
He makes personal connections with many of the cast members, so they know they have a friend
He is inspiring because (like Nat) he is just human, no powers, just a mortal in the line of fire.
He's basically Killmonger with a conscience, and we see what happens when his family got blipped... Dude damn near eliminated worldwide organized crime by himself.
He's a tactical genius. You put that brain behind the Avengers, and now they're fucking terrifying. He didn't just shoot in the battle of NY... He was organizing the team, calling out patterns,... Without him, they were a bunch of disorganized guns.
Steve knows more battlefield tactics, Clint knows how to win.
Which is funny because in Hawkeye, he tells Kate that planning isn't really his thing. He boils his job down to killing whoever he is told to kill.
Sorry he's tiers below Killmonger.
>He's a tactical genius.
Not in the MCU.
>Steve knows more battlefield tactics, Clint knows how to win.
Not at all.
If Clint was in IW, he’d have probably shot Thanos the moment after Thanos completed the gauntlet, causing Thanos to flinch enough for stormbreaker to hit his head or cut his gauntlet hand off.
He’s like the assistant football coach behind the scenes making sure players get their rehab in, film study sessions are followed, playbooks are distributed, practice is on schedule, and the nervous players get their motivation speech to get their mind right. The little things that can add up to winning when it’s crunch time.
But really it's not a sample; it's a *population*, because we're looking at ALL of the Avengers' battles. And when you have the full population data to work with, you *can* draw conclusions. Most populations people study are too large to fully count (that's why sampling was developed), but the MCU Avengers' battles are not.
Second and more importantly, that's not how this works. You can't correlate 1 data point with 3 other opposing points and then pin the results on only one factor when there are numerous variations that were never accounted for.
By your amazing logic, if I have 4 children and one has curly hair, I can deduce with absolute certainty that curly hair is the result of being born on a Wednesdays. Do you understand? Even if you have a population, if your population is far too few, you can't make a scientific analysis; its just a conjecture at this point.
He may just be a guy with a bow but his arrows are technologically advanced and his superhuman aim makes him a viable threat, even against these crazy odds. He also just has the experience to know when to not take the fight, the only exception I can think of is against panther but I think they're all aware that no one involved in that fight has the intention to kill.
This isn't really an answer to your question, I just think people underestimate him and think he only lives due to plot armor.
4 data points. Tiny sample. No explanation needed.
He's physically weak but he's the only one with range attacks that are consistently reliable.
God-level strength is nothing compared to "can hit anything *with* anything".
Age of Ultron, he’s the one who shelters the Avengers when they need it, and appoints the twins as the two newest Avengers after giving Wanda the pep talk of the century, which just happens to mention your point about him being a man fighting alongside gods. Not to mention before they went to Sokovia, his wife observed that the Avengers need him, which is scary.
Civil War he observes that the team went to s**t as soon as he retires. Which is doubly-true when they lose against Thanos in Infinity War while he’s living his best retired life with his family.
However notice the fact that the four most important Avengers in Endgame were Clint who was the only surviving Avenger who could get the Soul Stone, Scott who introduced the team to the concept of time displacement, and Tony and Bruce who harnessed the power of time travel and snapped their fingers to use the stones. Now what do they have in common that one of the other Avengers (living or dusted) did at the time? They were fathers. And that was why Clint was the real glue of the Avengers, because he was experienced with heading a family.